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joining us, dick durbin, assistant majority leader, the senator from illinois. senator, thanks very much for coming in. we just heard from grover norquist, several republicans on capitol hill this week have said they would consider defying his pledge but for some of them, raising revenue just means getting rid of loopholes or capping some deductions, not raising tax rates or letting tax cuts expire. is that good enough? >> well, i can tell you the president has set a goal, $1.6 trillion in revenue or taxes over the next ten years. that's about 40% of the $4 trillion deficit goal that we have. that's the same thing that simpson-bowles had, 40% revenue. so the only way you can reach that, incidentally, is to allow the rates to go up. just this idea of we're going to take a look at the tax code, change some credits and deductions, you can't come up with enough money. >> so any deal will have to include at least some hike in the tax rate. >> i don't think there's any other way to approach it. that's why the president has taken this position. if we're going to make s
joining us, dick durbin, assistant majority leader, the senator from illinois. senator, thanks very much for coming in. we just heard from grover norquist, several republicans on capitol hill this week have said they would consider defying his pledge but for some of them, raising revenue just means getting rid of loopholes or capping some deductions, not raising tax rates or letting tax cuts expire. is that good enough? >> well, i can tell you the president has set a goal, $1.6 trillion...
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megyn: keurs te megyn: durbin chose two good people to make that example of. people don't love and reveer the hedge fund manager, they make other people a lot of money and they make a lot of money but most people have respect for our navy seals. is he on point? >> i do think he's on point. what monica just said, radical redistribution, we are talking about the radical redistribution is going back to the clinton era tax rates. i mean that just doesn't strike me as radical redistribution. you can argue about whether or not you think those tax rates should go up because of how it may affect the recovery, but to suggest that it's somehow stealing from the rich to give to the poor, we are talking about 3 or 4% average points in the tax code. i think this is really over blown. and i'd also say when jfk was president we didn't have the kind of income inequality that we have today. it is so much greater and getting so much greater every year that i think if he was alive today that he would be exactly where most democrats are on this issue with what senator durbin said
megyn: keurs te megyn: durbin chose two good people to make that example of. people don't love and reveer the hedge fund manager, they make other people a lot of money and they make a lot of money but most people have respect for our navy seals. is he on point? >> i do think he's on point. what monica just said, radical redistribution, we are talking about the radical redistribution is going back to the clinton era tax rates. i mean that just doesn't strike me as radical redistribution....
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illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show know is is really more of a curb than a cliff. >> some have called let's go over the cliff and watch what happens. we know if we're not careful, it will in fact stop economic growth and hurt everyone through every income category, particularly those most vulnerable. >> what he did not say is he must not go off the cliff. because the cliff is president obama's and the congressional democrats leverage over republicans. if we do go off the cliff or the curb on january 1st, a republican nightmare will occur. all income tax rates will go up and defense spending will be cut by 600 billion. other spending, some of it dear to republicans, will also be cut by another 600 billion. the fiscal cliff is much scarier to republicans than it is to democrats. so, the president and his allies must continue to make republicans believe they are willing to go off cliff. senator durbin simply said if we do go off the cliff o
illinois democratic senator dick durbin spoke today at the liberal center for american progress where he said this about the possibility of going off the cliff which fears of this show know is is really more of a curb than a cliff. >> some have called let's go over the cliff and watch what happens. we know if we're not careful, it will in fact stop economic growth and hurt everyone through every income category, particularly those most vulnerable. >> what he did not say is he must...
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i would agree with senator durbin absolutely. i'll give you a reform in medicare i think democrats would support. and that is looking at prescription drugs. and making it more competitive. >> bill: amen. >> or really crackening down on the fraud that takes place through the medical devices which is not with individuals cheating medicare. they're fictitious businesses set up that rob medicare of billions of dollars every year. so it's not as though changes to entitlement programs are completely off the table. it is the structural breaking of the guarantee that should be off the table. >> bill: isn't it interesting when president obama did identify $716 billion in fraudulent billing on the part of insurance companies and cut that out that they accused him of cutting benefits in medicare. >> well because what benefits were they concerned about. the benefits to big businesses. >> bill: exactly. congresswoman karen bass in studio with us. we'll welcome your calls and comments at 1-866-55-press. the "full court press" continues in just
i would agree with senator durbin absolutely. i'll give you a reform in medicare i think democrats would support. and that is looking at prescription drugs. and making it more competitive. >> bill: amen. >> or really crackening down on the fraud that takes place through the medical devices which is not with individuals cheating medicare. they're fictitious businesses set up that rob medicare of billions of dollars every year. so it's not as though changes to entitlement programs are...
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. >> this morning, dick durbin didn't really want to get into specifics. you aren't hearing a lot of numbers from a lot of people, but did say he was encouraged. take a listen. >> if i sound bland and general at this point, it's exactly to the point he made. when the doors close and we sit down with revenue on one side, entitlements on the other, then we get specific and come up with a bipartisan plan. >> ryan, to susan's point of who is the president talking to, is this something to be hashed out between president obama and john boehner. >> i guess so. because dick durbin himself has been confusing in what he's been saying publicly. on sunday he said sure medicare and medicaid can be part of the discussion. today he's giving a speech where it should not be part of the conversation. there this morning he's saying once we get into a room, we can start talking about it. and there are ways that i think liberals would agree to do medicare and medicaid. you know, if you're tinkering on the supplier side like, you know, say medical device companies or something,
. >> this morning, dick durbin didn't really want to get into specifics. you aren't hearing a lot of numbers from a lot of people, but did say he was encouraged. take a listen. >> if i sound bland and general at this point, it's exactly to the point he made. when the doors close and we sit down with revenue on one side, entitlements on the other, then we get specific and come up with a bipartisan plan. >> ryan, to susan's point of who is the president talking to, is this...
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dick durbin, democratic senator from illinois. he is very close to the president. he is introduced him at every major political event since he came into public office from illinois. he will have a press conference today. he is going to make a speech that says medicare and medicaid should be looked at but not part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so if that is the case you change that at all right now? >> let me say this. i know that we have people out posturing and again we have all kind of folks that just want to sweep this under the rug and let the problem get even bigger. the fact is the two most important people are the president and speaker boehner. both of them in the beginning of this have shown a degree of flexibility. what we need to do, people like myself offer concrete solutions to solve this problem. when they get in their meeting they need to have these at their disposal and we as a country again need to go ahead and deal with this issue now. i know that senator durbin actually has shown some strength for what it's worth, i don't know what he will do
dick durbin, democratic senator from illinois. he is very close to the president. he is introduced him at every major political event since he came into public office from illinois. he will have a press conference today. he is going to make a speech that says medicare and medicaid should be looked at but not part of the fiscal cliff negotiations. so if that is the case you change that at all right now? >> let me say this. i know that we have people out posturing and again we have all kind...
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senator dick durbin joins us this morning. always great to talk to you. appreciate your time. >> thanks, soledad. >> now with this latest development, how hopeful are you that, in fact, a deal is going to get done? and what would that deal look like? >> well, we should reach an agreement. the point i made was, when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in twelve years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes. not made in the heat of the fiscal cliff. not done in the closing days here, of a lame duck session. let's look at this thoughtfully and make sure at the end of the day medicare is going to survive and be stronger. but i think there is plenty of ground here for us to come together as democrats and republicans, the congress and the president, and avoid the worst parts of the fiscal cliff. >> okay, so what entitlements then? what would you put on the table? right now it's been the narrative is kind of republicans will put taxes on the table, democrats will put entitlements on the table. and i talked to
senator dick durbin joins us this morning. always great to talk to you. appreciate your time. >> thanks, soledad. >> now with this latest development, how hopeful are you that, in fact, a deal is going to get done? and what would that deal look like? >> well, we should reach an agreement. the point i made was, when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in twelve years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes. not made in the...
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senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. plus our powerhouse roundtable. matthew dowd, joe klein, ruth marcus, david sanger of "the new york times" and peggy noonan of "the wall street journal." >>> then ben affleck. >> you saw your parents killed? >> with war breaking out in congo, he's here live on what can be done to stop the fighting. >>> and -- >> i'm jonathan karl, i'm going to show you how this clipper will bring bipartisanship to washington. >>> hello, again. you just saw one small step for bipartisanship, is there more to come in washington? congress is back to work this week. top priority, a deal to block those automatic spending cuts and tax increases now set for january 1st, and some smart money is starting to bet that the president and congress will find a way to avoid that fiscal cliff. stocks up this week in anticipation of a deal with the dow clocking five straight of gains. and black friday consumer spending was down as well. now let's bring in t number one senator dick durbin and top republican lindsey graham. senator, welcome in. senator
senators dick durbin and lindsey graham. plus our powerhouse roundtable. matthew dowd, joe klein, ruth marcus, david sanger of "the new york times" and peggy noonan of "the wall street journal." >>> then ben affleck. >> you saw your parents killed? >> with war breaking out in congo, he's here live on what can be done to stop the fighting. >>> and -- >> i'm jonathan karl, i'm going to show you how this clipper will bring bipartisanship to...
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same thing yesterday with dick durbin who came on the show because eric said, okay, we'll do deals on taxes, but you brought up capital gains tax, no. carried interest, no. raising the actual marginal rates, no, we don't want to do that yet when he left we got calls from democrats saying does he really want to make a deal? >> i got two yesterday that -- >> i got e-mails from democrats going wow, he sounds like he wants to make a deal. one senator said did he really mean what he said? considering that he said nothing, yeah, i guess so but it was the tone then yesterday dick durbin came on and we had to basically stop asking about medicare about three or four minutes in because it was nonsensical talking about creating new programs. but this is a guy that also supporting simpson bowles and let us know like eric, we'll make a deal and figure it out. >> both sides at various times tells you something about recent history. you think about where republicans were a year and a half ago, where their attitude was, no, we will not discuss revenues, not one penny, ever, ever, ever so for cantor t
same thing yesterday with dick durbin who came on the show because eric said, okay, we'll do deals on taxes, but you brought up capital gains tax, no. carried interest, no. raising the actual marginal rates, no, we don't want to do that yet when he left we got calls from democrats saying does he really want to make a deal? >> i got two yesterday that -- >> i got e-mails from democrats going wow, he sounds like he wants to make a deal. one senator said did he really mean what he...
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i thought, now, durbin, what are you going to do? i voted for it. it takes some leaders who were willing to sit down and make compromises and listen. in this case apparently the negotiations directly between the white house and speaker boehner, and rob neighbors in the white house, there is no better person for the president to assign to this job. i just think the world of him. i have known him for years and have the highest respect for him. i hope that speaker boehner will just agree to one basic principle and i think we can get this done. that the solution on the house side is going to be a bipartisan solution. it has to be bipartisan in the senate. but if this is going to be an exclusive, republican solution on the house side, i'm afraid we are going to reach the same impasse we have in the past. if he will make a commitment to a bipartisan solution in the house, i think we can get this done. >> questions from the press. gentleman over here. >> norm levy with the "los angeles times." you mentioned that medicaid is a special case. does that mean t
i thought, now, durbin, what are you going to do? i voted for it. it takes some leaders who were willing to sit down and make compromises and listen. in this case apparently the negotiations directly between the white house and speaker boehner, and rob neighbors in the white house, there is no better person for the president to assign to this job. i just think the world of him. i have known him for years and have the highest respect for him. i hope that speaker boehner will just agree to one...
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dick durbin said look at the disparity between what a navy seal earns and a hedge fund person earns. it's not fair, moral or right. is that the society we live in in which income, equality is required for us to believe we are living morally? >> that is the issue of fairness, isn't it? surely what we want is growth, growth is fair to everybody. growth reduces the deficit, growth reduces the unemployment rate, growth gets people back into houses of their own. without growth you're nothing. enough with this income inequality, the shift to the left, you've really got to liberate private enterprise if you want to have real fairness. megyn: here we thought chris after november 6th we won't be talking about campaign ads, billboard buys or bus advertisements and we were wrong. >> we were wrong too bad. megyn: all right guys, see you soon. we are also watching a tense situation developing today in egypt. what we're told is a volatile of mix of protestors gathered to denounce a recent power grab by their democratic leader. earlier we saw violent clashes as president mohammed morsi said the far
dick durbin said look at the disparity between what a navy seal earns and a hedge fund person earns. it's not fair, moral or right. is that the society we live in in which income, equality is required for us to believe we are living morally? >> that is the issue of fairness, isn't it? surely what we want is growth, growth is fair to everybody. growth reduces the deficit, growth reduces the unemployment rate, growth gets people back into houses of their own. without growth you're nothing....
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you hear now from the leading democrats like dick durbin saying don't go after social security. they are trying to lay out things they don't want touched but there has to be that. the problem with the white house is we haven't heard from the republicans what they are willing to do. >> isn't it the president's deal to bring everyone to the table? >> bret: there is pressure -- >> there is pressure on the president now. >> jonah? >> some of this is ludicrous. enormous amount of the public negotiating by people who aren't privy to negotiations. particularly from the senators. senators have nothing to do with any of this. who care what is lindsey graham's position is? he is not in on the negotiations. the republican and senate aren't in on the negotiations. there is something in the ecosystem in washington that senators cannot resist being part of the story, even when they have no part in the story. this is between house and white house now. boehner position strikes me as utterly reasonable. he wants more rev lieu without raising the tax rates. whether that is negotiating strategy or
you hear now from the leading democrats like dick durbin saying don't go after social security. they are trying to lay out things they don't want touched but there has to be that. the problem with the white house is we haven't heard from the republicans what they are willing to do. >> isn't it the president's deal to bring everyone to the table? >> bret: there is pressure -- >> there is pressure on the president now. >> jonah? >> some of this is ludicrous. enormous...
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durbin: i ask that the quorum call be suspended. officer without objection. mr. durbin: we are in the process of considering the ratification of the convention on the rights of persons with disabilities. the united states has led the world in creating the legal framework building an infrastructure and designing facilities that ensure inclusion and opportunities for those living with disabilities. this year the senate foreign relations committee under the leadership of chairman john kerry and ranking minority member richard lugar celebrateds the it 22nd anniversary of the act by reporting on the rights of persons with disabilities on a strong bipartisan basis. i want to personally thank senator kerry and senator lugar for moving the treaty through the committee process. it was -- the treaty through the committee process. it was a hectic time. they made a point of making certain that we brought this issue forward. personal thanks to my friend, senator john mccain, who's on the floor at this moment for making this a bipartisan effort. i also want to thank senators b
durbin: i ask that the quorum call be suspended. officer without objection. mr. durbin: we are in the process of considering the ratification of the convention on the rights of persons with disabilities. the united states has led the world in creating the legal framework building an infrastructure and designing facilities that ensure inclusion and opportunities for those living with disabilities. this year the senate foreign relations committee under the leadership of chairman john kerry and...
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said, to sit down and negotiate. >> those were senators dick durbin on "morning joe" and jeanne shaheen on chris jansing discussing entitlement programs. richard and joy, how much leverage does president obama have with the left in terms of making a deal with republicans on medicaid, medicare, social security? >> none. he never does. are you kidding? the left will be disappointed like the day after inauguration day. at the end of the day -- it's kind of a subversive thought but we just had wealthy seniors, seniors in general, vote to get rid of medicare, right? they voted to get rid of medicare as long as no one touched them. if there's some changes that need to be made to the medicare ben fits of wealthy seniors i don't think democrats should make that the hill they die on. that's me. i think democrats are still going to want entitlement programs held harmless. that is true for medicaid and social security. there are things you can theoretically do in terms of raising the cap on how much income is taxed for medicare. things that wouldn't hurt poor seniors. >> richard, i've been citing
said, to sit down and negotiate. >> those were senators dick durbin on "morning joe" and jeanne shaheen on chris jansing discussing entitlement programs. richard and joy, how much leverage does president obama have with the left in terms of making a deal with republicans on medicaid, medicare, social security? >> none. he never does. are you kidding? the left will be disappointed like the day after inauguration day. at the end of the day -- it's kind of a subversive...
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we are thrilled to have senator durbin here today to talk about his views on the fiscal cliff. as we engage in this debate, i wanted to lay out a few principles that are critical as washington becomes obsessed with this set of issues. the elections have consequences. at c.a.p., we have argued that the issues that are really framing the fiscal debate and fiscal cliff were ones that were litigated in the election context. the president did not have one set of conversations before november and a second set now. there was a thread going through the debate that the country was having and that thread was around having a balanced plan to address america's fiscal challenges. there are serious fiscal challenges that we do need long term -- deficit reduction -- that is important to america's credibility. it is important for america's economy and economic growth. that plan has to be balanced, and that means significant revenues and that paying has to go around. that means the wealthy and well-off have to pay their fair share as well. these should not be new issues. they are ones that were
we are thrilled to have senator durbin here today to talk about his views on the fiscal cliff. as we engage in this debate, i wanted to lay out a few principles that are critical as washington becomes obsessed with this set of issues. the elections have consequences. at c.a.p., we have argued that the issues that are really framing the fiscal debate and fiscal cliff were ones that were litigated in the election context. the president did not have one set of conversations before november and a...
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you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the side, focusing on medicare. put a dollar figure out. how much savings do you think is a reasonable number that democrats could tolerate? we know that the school of thought on taxes is somewhere between 800 and 1.6. we know that spending cuts will probably be $1.2 trillion or north of that. what number could you live with in spec
you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >>...
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. >>> tomorrow, tim pawlenty, illinois senator dick durbin and singer dionne warwick. >> great show. meanwhile, cnn "newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. >>> tear gas in cairo near the u.s. embassy as the fight for democracy goes on. >> face to face. susan rice and john mccain, the man who wanted watergate style hearings, meet. and only cnn catches up with mccain before the big meeting. >> what do you have to learn today from miss rice? >> whatever ambassador rice wants to tell me. she's the one who asked for the meeting. i didn't. >> wouldn't you like to be a fly on the wall? >>> spyfall, real-life bond movie. yasser arafat's body was exhumed. was the palestinian leader po h poisoned by israeli spies? >>> plus this. >> you said walden is in trouble. >> i'm the trouble walden has been in, repeatedly. >> he calls it filth, the half in "two and a half men" begs you not to watch his show. "newsroom" starts now. >>> good morning to you. thank you so much for being with us. i'm carol costello. we begin with a high stakes meeting just minutes from now. this hour, the u.s. ambass
. >>> tomorrow, tim pawlenty, illinois senator dick durbin and singer dionne warwick. >> great show. meanwhile, cnn "newsroom" with carol costello begins right now. >>> tear gas in cairo near the u.s. embassy as the fight for democracy goes on. >> face to face. susan rice and john mccain, the man who wanted watergate style hearings, meet. and only cnn catches up with mccain before the big meeting. >> what do you have to learn today from miss rice?...
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durbin making it clear he's -- there's a lot of different ways to get there. would you consider that? ways to raise money from the wealthy without raising rates? >> there are ways to get there. but i think a lot of this goes back to where you start the whole discussion from. you know, those of us who have worked on this for a long time, the simpson/bowles plan, which has gained a lot of attention, even our gang of six efforts, which we think improved upon the plan. we started with the rates going back up, you use that baseline and then you work down. you can then use some of these tax reform ideas to bring the rates back down, but you basically, we need, you know, on a ten year basis, more than $1 trillion of net new revenue as we think about some of the additional cuts we're going to have to make and some of the reforms to the entitlement programs. i agree with the president, let's go ahead and bring the rates back up, but then like simpson/bowles, we can use a tax reform effort, whether it is capping tax expenditures or actually going through in a more thoro
durbin making it clear he's -- there's a lot of different ways to get there. would you consider that? ways to raise money from the wealthy without raising rates? >> there are ways to get there. but i think a lot of this goes back to where you start the whole discussion from. you know, those of us who have worked on this for a long time, the simpson/bowles plan, which has gained a lot of attention, even our gang of six efforts, which we think improved upon the plan. we started with the...
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zachary, senator durbin says he could see $400 billion in entitlement cuts. democratic aides telling politico most of it is going to come from medicare in part by raising the retirement age. a move that more than two-thirds of americans oppose. that's according to the latest "washington post" poll. this is something that democrats are going to have a hard time signing off on. >> remember, the deal that was at least we know tentatively struck in the summer of 2011 was a much more extensive one in terms of entitlement cuts. i think it was up to $2 trillion. that was going to be really difficult for the democrats then. now you're talking $400 billion over ten years. $40 billion a year. these things have to happen. the question is will they happen in the next two weeks. this is where the republicans simply are in a weak position. if we go to january 1st and the dynamic is everything is going up because the republicans will not agree to taxes on the rich, i cannot see how that is a politically winning hand or an economically winning hand. >> we don't know all the
zachary, senator durbin says he could see $400 billion in entitlement cuts. democratic aides telling politico most of it is going to come from medicare in part by raising the retirement age. a move that more than two-thirds of americans oppose. that's according to the latest "washington post" poll. this is something that democrats are going to have a hard time signing off on. >> remember, the deal that was at least we know tentatively struck in the summer of 2011 was a much more...
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durbin: mr. president, i've listened closely to this debate because it literally affects my career, my life and the lives of all the members of the senate. it's worth a minute or two to understand what we're talking about in the history -- context of history. it was president woodrow wilson who said to the congress, we want to arm the merchant marine of the united states, put guns on merchant marine ships before world war i, before we were engaged in world war i, to protect those ships from being destroyed or sunk by the warring parties in world war i. he sent that request to congress and it was stopped in this senate? this chamber -- in this senate, in this chamber by one is that right. one senator in those days could stand up and say, "i object." end of story. but president wilson said, that's an outrage that one senator can say that, can stop even the consideration of a measure to protect american lives and our merchant marine? and he created this firestorm of public opinion. and so they creat
durbin: mr. president, i've listened closely to this debate because it literally affects my career, my life and the lives of all the members of the senate. it's worth a minute or two to understand what we're talking about in the history -- context of history. it was president woodrow wilson who said to the congress, we want to arm the merchant marine of the united states, put guns on merchant marine ships before world war i, before we were engaged in world war i, to protect those ships from...
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but today for example dick durbin, the number two leader of the democrats in the senate came out and gave a policy speech. he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think that opens the door a little bit. you're seeing it on the democratic side. you're seeing it a little bit on the republican side. >> both sides are going to have to open the door more than just a little bit. they're going to have to make a deal. >> because the one mandate from the public was fix things. >> fix it. and do it quick. gloria, thank you. cnn's getting exclusive new information and photographs of paula broadwell, her affair with jen david petraeus forced him to leave the cia. now her friends are coming to her defense. >>> and a 7-year-old cancer patient tries a controversial treatment. m
but today for example dick durbin, the number two leader of the democrats in the senate came out and gave a policy speech. he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think...
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we have leading senators like senator durbin who has the courage to deal with these issues. he was on the simpson-bowles committee who said that we can't deal with those now in the dealing with the fiscal cliff, we need to put that off into the future. my experience is what you put off to the future never happen here. >> i hope we can get a deal. >>> me too. >>> great to see both of you. john let me start with you. cornyn is pessimistic, but the markets are up today, despite the glum faces we have seen. cornyn has said he's pessimistic, is he willing realistic or do you think we're going to get a deal? >> i think he's being a strategic scrooge. he's saying we need a balanced plan, but the president's not dealing with entitlealment reform and cuts. to give a balanced plan, republicans have to cut taxes. >> he said i put revenue on the table. but he wouldn't talk about the rates. >> also when asked about these specific entitlement reforms, he didn't talk about those either. we need to see some substance behind that. >> did you hear level ground where that can be forged? i don'
we have leading senators like senator durbin who has the courage to deal with these issues. he was on the simpson-bowles committee who said that we can't deal with those now in the dealing with the fiscal cliff, we need to put that off into the future. my experience is what you put off to the future never happen here. >> i hope we can get a deal. >>> me too. >>> great to see both of you. john let me start with you. cornyn is pessimistic, but the markets are up today,...
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where is the conversation about cutting, dir dick durbin, harry reid? >> the president sold a lie. the lie is you can have these goodies and it will be paid for if you tax the rich for more. that's economic nonsense. i want to give you one number. the unfunded liability of medicare, one entitlement program, is $42 trillion. that's money that we've got to shell out in the future, which we do not have. are you going to tell me we could tax the rich? >> i am not telling you, but this is what i'm saying, that the tax reform and entitlement reform should and could be a bigger part of this conversation, however to focus on the republicans now at this point i think is chasing a rabbit down a hole. it is not the republicans' responsibility to come up with a plan. president obama won fair and square. he's the won who needs to persuade america that the policy is right. >> sean: we have the exact same situation as we had before. all this money was spent, all the arguing over -- >> the house passed all sorts of bill to improve the economy in the last congress. you don't get anywhere with -- >>
where is the conversation about cutting, dir dick durbin, harry reid? >> the president sold a lie. the lie is you can have these goodies and it will be paid for if you tax the rich for more. that's economic nonsense. i want to give you one number. the unfunded liability of medicare, one entitlement program, is $42 trillion. that's money that we've got to shell out in the future, which we do not have. are you going to tell me we could tax the rich? >> i am not telling you, but this...
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senator durbin said that social security does not add one penny to the deficit and should be left alone. and republicans say they will not accept higher rates for the healthy. current trends smoe taxes for the rich are actually drops that is thanks to the bush tax cuts that lowered the rate on investment income, and the fact that wealthy americans are making more money from their investments than ever before. according to new data, from the irs, a tax rate for those making more than $100,000 a year and for those making more than $10 million a year their tax rate was lower. capital gains rates are the biggest driver of income in america. more bill press after the break. stay with us. created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. you're about to watch a viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. as i was leaving the service i went into a civilian career for a little
senator durbin said that social security does not add one penny to the deficit and should be left alone. and republicans say they will not accept higher rates for the healthy. current trends smoe taxes for the rich are actually drops that is thanks to the bush tax cuts that lowered the rate on investment income, and the fact that wealthy americans are making more money from their investments than ever before. according to new data, from the irs, a tax rate for those making more than $100,000 a...
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. >> though as the negotiations continue, durbin does suggest that obamacare is on the table. >> the only perfect law i know was carried down mountain on a stone tablet by senator moses. everyone else has define their very best to write a good law and realizes oaf time changes have to be made. i'm open to whatever, you know, elements we need to reconsider there. but i think we have the right starting point. >> much of the anxiety in washington seems to be over not knowing the details of the president and speaker boehner's negotiations. lawmakers on both sides suggest it could be a good thing. they are talking to each other and not leaking. >> mike emanuel live on the hill. thank you. >> bret: he is not campaigning for re-election, but president obama is back on the political stump to round up support for his economic plan to get off the fiscal cliff. chief washington correspondent james rosen tells us that has the congressional republicans feeling left out. >> ultimately, the leader is the president of the united states. >> this president in leading the white house and senate democra
. >> though as the negotiations continue, durbin does suggest that obamacare is on the table. >> the only perfect law i know was carried down mountain on a stone tablet by senator moses. everyone else has define their very best to write a good law and realizes oaf time changes have to be made. i'm open to whatever, you know, elements we need to reconsider there. but i think we have the right starting point. >> much of the anxiety in washington seems to be over not knowing the...
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on tuesday, senator dick durbin flatly declared entitlement reform should not be on the table. yesterday, top white house officials also met with leading liberal groups, from labor unions to moveon.org. with one attendee telling the "washington post" they expect the taxes to go up on the wealthy and to protect medicare and medicaid benefits. they feel confident they don't have to compromise. pressed today on whether the spending cuts are kicked down the road, white house spokesman jay carney was noncommittal. >> you are not having any spending cuts now. you want to do spending cuts next year; is that a fact? >> no. it's not a fact. these are all parts of aspects of the conversations that are ongoing. >> some republicans are pushing boehner an other leaders to accept an extension of the middle class cuts to avoid the white house blaming them for crash over taxes on the rich. >> everybody is waiting for schedule to go up. unless we fix that paradoxically. president obama becomes defender of the bush tax cuts for 98% of the people. he is no such thing. >> the president is seething
on tuesday, senator dick durbin flatly declared entitlement reform should not be on the table. yesterday, top white house officials also met with leading liberal groups, from labor unions to moveon.org. with one attendee telling the "washington post" they expect the taxes to go up on the wealthy and to protect medicare and medicaid benefits. they feel confident they don't have to compromise. pressed today on whether the spending cuts are kicked down the road, white house spokesman jay...
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you and people like dick durbin, i have tremendous respect for you to stick your neck out and say something a lot of politicians won't do. it isn't perfect, but it's where we have to go. thank you so much for coming on. senator tom coburn, who, again, my kids seem to love for some reason. thank you very much for coming on, and joe klein of "time" magazine. >>> up next, can president obama turn his voters into fighters? this will be fascinating. i found out how great the ground game was in florida. can he put this ground game to work to fight the fiscal cliff? the "hardball" story on that one is coming up right now, the place for politics. ts and hasbro trust duracell to power their donated toys? duralock power preserve. it locks in power for up to 10 years in storage. guaranteed. duracell with duralock. trusted everywhere. >>> "the new york times" has just listed "jack kennedy: elusive hero," my book, on the best-seller list. it's a big honor for the paperback edition. it's a great book of american heroism, the story of jack kennedy, who he was when he lived, who led us, and, of course, who
you and people like dick durbin, i have tremendous respect for you to stick your neck out and say something a lot of politicians won't do. it isn't perfect, but it's where we have to go. thank you so much for coming on. senator tom coburn, who, again, my kids seem to love for some reason. thank you very much for coming on, and joe klein of "time" magazine. >>> up next, can president obama turn his voters into fighters? this will be fascinating. i found out how great the...
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. >> dick durbin says when you're talking about entitlement reform or cuts in spending for medicare, medicaid for example, he says that's too complicated now. listen to what he said this morning. >> when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in 12 years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes not made in the heat of the fiscal cliff. >> can you defer medicare for example -- medicare reform until after you get a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> well, if we do that, wolf, i think what you have to do is also defer the issue of taxes. i think you extend tax rates some time into the foreseeable future whether that's six months or a year and allow us to go through the process where we can deal with entitlement reform and tax reform in regular order. i don't see republicans supporting something up here that deals with taxes that doesn't have entitlement reform incorporated into that. so i think right now we're a little bit of a standoff, but the way to solve this would be of course to extend the existing tax rates which is by the way something
. >> dick durbin says when you're talking about entitlement reform or cuts in spending for medicare, medicaid for example, he says that's too complicated now. listen to what he said this morning. >> when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in 12 years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes not made in the heat of the fiscal cliff. >> can you defer medicare for example -- medicare reform until after you get a deal on the...
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president obama privately indicated he is willing to stick his neck out and durbin willing to do that and will nor liberal democrats come to the table with entitlement reform. we'll see if that is a bigger dynamic that changes this week. >> what is the danger i guess is one question because there are democrats like patty murray saying it isn't a cliff, it is a slope. >> the danger is a massive sudden drop in government spending and even if you hate government spending, spending does keep the economy going and when you cut that much spending all at once abruptly you create a shock to the economy and that is dangerous and there are economists that say it could send us into recession again. >> it is not going to happen immediately on january 1st is their point. >> the alternative perspective is if you believe in preserving entitlements, social security, an eventual deal, a real deal, how much different would it really look from what is on the table with the fiscal cliff? >> that's a good question. let me read to you what congressman peter difazoo told politico. if the republicans can't s
president obama privately indicated he is willing to stick his neck out and durbin willing to do that and will nor liberal democrats come to the table with entitlement reform. we'll see if that is a bigger dynamic that changes this week. >> what is the danger i guess is one question because there are democrats like patty murray saying it isn't a cliff, it is a slope. >> the danger is a massive sudden drop in government spending and even if you hate government spending, spending does...
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you and people like dick durbin, i have tremendous respect for you to stick your neck out and say something a lot of politicians won't do. it isn't perfect but it's where we have to go. thank you so much for coming on. senator tom coburn, who again my kids seem to love for some reason. thank you very much for coming on, and joe klein of "time" magazine. >>> up next, can president obama turn his voters into fighters? this will be fascinating. i found out how great the ground game was in florida. can he put this ground game to work to fight the fiscal cliff? the "hardball" story on that one is coming up right now, the place for politics. with the ability to improve roi through seo all by cob. and you...rent from national. because only national lets you choose any car in the aisle... and go. you can even take a full-size or above, and still pay the mid-size price. i'm going b-i-g. [ male announcer ] good choice business pro. good choice. go national. go like a pro. >>> the noshlts has just listed jack kennedy elusive hero moon the best-seller list. it's a big honor for the paperbook edition. i
you and people like dick durbin, i have tremendous respect for you to stick your neck out and say something a lot of politicians won't do. it isn't perfect but it's where we have to go. thank you so much for coming on. senator tom coburn, who again my kids seem to love for some reason. thank you very much for coming on, and joe klein of "time" magazine. >>> up next, can president obama turn his voters into fighters? this will be fascinating. i found out how great the ground...
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on the left, democratic senator dick durbin of illinois urged liberal groups to give way on their opposition to changes in medicare and medicaid. >> we cannot standby on the side lines in denial that this is ever going to engage us in the things that we value. we can't be so naive to believe that just taxing the rich is going to solve our problems. wlook to reform and change that is significant, that preserves many of the values and programs that brought us to political life. >> brown: for his part senate page ontario leader harry reid declared himself extremely hopeful even as the end of the year and the end of the current congress rapidly approach. as this debate has unfolded we've been sample ago variety of voices of on what should be done. tom price of georgia is chairman of the republican policy committee. democrat keith ellison of minnesota is co-chair of the congressional progressive caucus. i spoke with them a short time ago from the cannon house office building. congressmen, welcome. congressman price let's start with taxes because there's been much talk in recent days about whether
on the left, democratic senator dick durbin of illinois urged liberal groups to give way on their opposition to changes in medicare and medicaid. >> we cannot standby on the side lines in denial that this is ever going to engage us in the things that we value. we can't be so naive to believe that just taxing the rich is going to solve our problems. wlook to reform and change that is significant, that preserves many of the values and programs that brought us to political life. >>...
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if you listen early to what senator durbin said, he said tax rates are effective tax rates. you've got this sort of maneuvering that is being talked about where you would raise the -- we'd have the top rate stay the same but you'd have people over that rate pay the money, not just the marginal rate. so they are maneuvering and i suspect that they will come a deal because simply not coming to a deal has worst effects than not coming to a deal politically. >> saxby chambliss says we're going to have to consider raising taxes, it's for the good of the country. what do you think ultimately? where are republicans going to fall on this? is it going to lead to infighting from the gop? >> i think you'll see a lot of heat and noise but i think at the end of the day you'll see a fair number of americans break with their no tax pledge. saxby chambliss has already done so and grover responded last week by saying that we're going to have a conversation with the people of georgia which is a way of saying that we're going to run a ton of negative ads against you. senator chambliss is up fo
if you listen early to what senator durbin said, he said tax rates are effective tax rates. you've got this sort of maneuvering that is being talked about where you would raise the -- we'd have the top rate stay the same but you'd have people over that rate pay the money, not just the marginal rate. so they are maneuvering and i suspect that they will come a deal because simply not coming to a deal has worst effects than not coming to a deal politically. >> saxby chambliss says we're...
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. >> senator durbin is suggesting the debate over the entitlement programs should be waged after the new year once the fiscal cliff issue has been settled. >>> six minutes past the hour, new storms rolling into the northwest this morning. and that could cause dangerous flooding. alexandra steele is live in atlanta for us. what's going on? >> hey, good morning to you guys. we've got one storm that's gone and one storm that's a massive storm incoming. so let's start with this, all you guys in new york city had snow, for sure, but right now we certainly don't. this has all moved offshore. this was just the rain, but what was left behind? actually black ice there this morning. places like new jersey, six inches of snow. chester, new jersey, five. you can see sunbury, pennsylvania, three. 2 1/2 in mill brooke. the hudson valley and portions of connecticut are seeing black ice as a factor. take it slow, especially the elevated surfaces with temperatures so cold. story number one. story number two, a mammoth storm, this is the water vapor. what you need to see with this is look at this huge
. >> senator durbin is suggesting the debate over the entitlement programs should be waged after the new year once the fiscal cliff issue has been settled. >>> six minutes past the hour, new storms rolling into the northwest this morning. and that could cause dangerous flooding. alexandra steele is live in atlanta for us. what's going on? >> hey, good morning to you guys. we've got one storm that's gone and one storm that's a massive storm incoming. so let's start with...
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>> i saw a statement from senator dick durbin generally considered on the left of his party, he's saying, nobody should be so naive as to believe that just taxing the rich will solve our problems. he's telling the left that entitlement cuts must be part of any deal. that put him outside of what i have been hearing from the unions, mainstream democrats and the president. maybe that is a slight chink in the democrats' armor, if you like. maybe they will consider entitlement cuts. maybe he means next year after you work out tax changes now. bill: that's the way i heard it. get the changes before the first of the year then worry about reform in the coming year. on top of that there is a debt ceiling issue to tackle. steve forbes said go ahead and get a 90-day extension, take it into 2013. >> can you put together a complex agreement dealing with tax, spending cuts, debt ceiling, can you do all of that in a mere 30 days or do you take the steve forbes route, kick the can down the road. i'm not sure the vote terse would tolerate kicking the can and not dealing with it again. thank you, stuart.
>> i saw a statement from senator dick durbin generally considered on the left of his party, he's saying, nobody should be so naive as to believe that just taxing the rich will solve our problems. he's telling the left that entitlement cuts must be part of any deal. that put him outside of what i have been hearing from the unions, mainstream democrats and the president. maybe that is a slight chink in the democrats' armor, if you like. maybe they will consider entitlement cuts. maybe he...
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the number two senate democrat, dick durbin, says he'd be open to look at entitlements, but not part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is the senate majority leader's view. >> at the meeting we had that i mentioned with president and the four leaders, president obama said that social security is not part of what is what we're going to do in this. i agree with him. and there are things that i personally believe there are things that we can do with entitlements that don't hurt beneficiaries. >> but if you have each side starting to take things off the table, it makes you wonder if at some point if gets harder to make a deal. shep. >> shepard: mike emmanuel on capitol hill. the white house and president obama will be making their case to regular americans this week. republican leaders say he should be negotiating, not campaigning. he's not the only politician planning a fiscal cliff road trip. we'll go to the white house and the fox report coming up in a bit. first, hours ago, more than 200,000 people crowded into the central square in cairo to call for an end to the new egyptian leader's
the number two senate democrat, dick durbin, says he'd be open to look at entitlements, but not part of the fiscal cliff talks. here is the senate majority leader's view. >> at the meeting we had that i mentioned with president and the four leaders, president obama said that social security is not part of what is what we're going to do in this. i agree with him. and there are things that i personally believe there are things that we can do with entitlements that don't hurt beneficiaries....
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dick durbin gave the encouraging quote. everything should be on the table. we have to get ourselves out of i had to read it three times because he is number two ranking democrat. and i read behind the scenes, it is a disaster in terms of negotiations moving forward . the word they are using is pathetic about the lack of progress. >> steve: logger heads. >> gretchen: which is what i am talking about. this is the quote that steve hayes brought up on the special report on fox news. when president obama was first elected he talked about how to bring down the deficit and campaign promise to cut it in half and he would do it by focusing on entitlement reform. >> steve: there is the national debt right now. >> gretchen: why doesn't he bring the people to the table and say dick dishin. let's put it all on the table and let's talk about them instead of going out on air force one and getting people to use twitter >> chris: the american society of pensional they have a warning called. if congress does change yourr tax rate, there is a possibility that you might have bi
dick durbin gave the encouraging quote. everything should be on the table. we have to get ourselves out of i had to read it three times because he is number two ranking democrat. and i read behind the scenes, it is a disaster in terms of negotiations moving forward . the word they are using is pathetic about the lack of progress. >> steve: logger heads. >> gretchen: which is what i am talking about. this is the quote that steve hayes brought up on the special report on fox news....
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as dick durbin pointed out recently when lyndon johnson was majority leader of the senate democratic majority leader of the senate. for six years, there was one filibuster. one filibuster. the last six years under republican leadership, there have been 380 filibusters in the senate. they filibuster everything including -- one of the most outrageous examples, republicans in the senate filibustered the james -- september 11th health and compensation act which would have provided healthcare for the heroes the first responders of september 11th. republicans filibustered that and prevented it from coming to a vote in the senate. so it doesn't matter good or bad if the democrat was for it, republicans filibustered it. and they did so by -- it was sort of like a -- a virtual filibuster. it is no longer the day when they bring in the cots and they make them actually speak. they just threaten to filibuster and that's all they have to do and it is just as effective and -- effectively blocks a measure at all. from again even being considered for a vote. so for a long time and we've talked about
as dick durbin pointed out recently when lyndon johnson was majority leader of the senate democratic majority leader of the senate. for six years, there was one filibuster. one filibuster. the last six years under republican leadership, there have been 380 filibusters in the senate. they filibuster everything including -- one of the most outrageous examples, republicans in the senate filibustered the james -- september 11th health and compensation act which would have provided healthcare for...